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Shaiapouf 12-May-22 10:12 PM
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he logs off
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Yata chimes in here
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Mysterious Stranger "Cyouni" 12-May-22 10:13 PM
Welcome to the Chaos Gate
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Shaiapouf 12-May-22 10:14 PM
okay lets finally meet with Ovan and settle the score
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We all got a lot of problems with this guy
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archaeo 12-May-22 10:14 PM
this area name rules
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Shaiapouf 12-May-22 10:14 PM
Yeah they got some good ones
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Yata is not in fact in your party at this time
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he's just vibing
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archaeo 12-May-22 10:17 PM
it really is remarkable how much work went into doing things like this that now get handled by a "CURRENT QUEST" HUD element
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I would watch a whole Tim Rogers video on this very precise topic
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all seven hours
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Shaiapouf 12-May-22 10:18 PM
tbf there is a current quest UI element, but it's actually hidden in a menu
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archaeo 12-May-22 10:18 PM
heh
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how the times change
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Shaiapouf 12-May-22 10:18 PM
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Zedd-Repulsa 12-May-22 10:19 PM
it's helpful if you pick it up again after a long break
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Shaiapouf 12-May-22 10:19 PM
I kinda miss game journals like this to be honest
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archaeo 12-May-22 10:19 PM
maybe Tim Rogers will talk about it when he reviews The Witcher 3
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Shaiapouf 12-May-22 10:19 PM
they aren't around as much any more
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Though, by far the best game journal is the one from Tales of the Abyss
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archaeo 12-May-22 10:19 PM
false
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the best game journal is in Obra Dinn
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Shaiapouf 12-May-22 10:19 PM
where the main character repeatedly voices his deepest anxieties as the plot develops
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oh well that doesn't count
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archaeo 12-May-22 10:19 PM
no I think it super counts
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Mysterious Stranger "Cyouni" 12-May-22 10:19 PM
the abyss one is great
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Shaiapouf 12-May-22 10:19 PM
thats a very different thing
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archaeo 12-May-22 10:20 PM
is it
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no it totally is I'm being a smartass now
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I've never made it all the way through a Tales game
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Shaiapouf 12-May-22 10:20 PM
Most of them are bad, is the thing
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but the good ones are very very good
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archaeo 12-May-22 10:20 PM
(I do legitimately think Obra Dinn is a fascinating example of how that gameplay trope can work)
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it's just a lot of work to write them I expect
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Shaiapouf 12-May-22 10:20 PM
oh yeah sure
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but that's like the main mechanic of that game
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archaeo 12-May-22 10:21 PM
well I mean that's what makes it the best game journal
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Zedd-Repulsa 12-May-22 10:21 PM
I got like 2/3 through Abyss, was spoiled on the traitor's identity, and dropped it
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archaeo 12-May-22 10:21 PM
it's a game about the game journal
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seriously I think I could just write this video essay myself
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I'm going to become the Tim Rogers
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I got like 2/3 through Abyss, was spoiled on the traitor's identity, and dropped it
Mysterious Stranger "Cyouni" 12-May-22 10:21 PM
that's honestly not that big a spoiler
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I got like 2/3 through Abyss, was spoiled on the traitor's identity, and dropped it
Shaiapouf 12-May-22 10:21 PM
lol to be honest that was a mistake, the "traitor" plot comes up for like 5 minutes and is dropped very quickly
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archaeo 12-May-22 10:21 PM
that's the WORST kind of spoiler
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where you think you've like, ruined the story
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and you basically ruined a plot beat at worst
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but you don't know!
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Zedd-Repulsa 12-May-22 10:22 PM
we still have a ps2, luckily
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Mysterious Stranger "Cyouni" 12-May-22 10:22 PM
I actually did like the...3ds? remake
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archaeo 12-May-22 10:22 PM
I wonder how well ps2 emulation over the cloud goes
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Shaiapouf 12-May-22 10:22 PM
you should try and finish it because I genuinely thing ToA is one of the best JRPG stories ever made
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like, it's up there with Nier
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archaeo 12-May-22 10:23 PM
dang
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Shaiapouf 12-May-22 10:23 PM
I have no idea how they managed it
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archaeo 12-May-22 10:23 PM
fuck
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Mysterious Stranger "Cyouni" 12-May-22 10:23 PM
Abyss is real good
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Shaiapouf 12-May-22 10:23 PM
I think it was a mistake
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archaeo 12-May-22 10:23 PM
don't say these things to me
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maybe it's time to be a jRPG enthusiast again.......
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Shaiapouf 12-May-22 10:23 PM
Abyss is an incredible game about like, depression and the meaning of life
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archaeo 12-May-22 10:23 PM
(I'm kidding if I do an RPG, I'm doing a discord let's play of Xenogears for my friends online)
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(I think it's time we all Become As Gods)
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Shaiapouf 12-May-22 10:24 PM
and it also does the same thing with the Chosen One trope that Wheel of Time does (edited)
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archaeo 12-May-22 10:24 PM
oh hell yeah
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the thing Wheel of Time does with the Chosen One trope is the whole reason I like it
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/ the part that makes it low-key the first postmodern fantasy story (edited)
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this is another video essay!!
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Shaiapouf 12-May-22 10:24 PM
yeah no Abyss rules, I love that game. I strongly recommend the screen shot LP of it if you want to just read it
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archaeo 12-May-22 10:24 PM
noted
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Zedd-Repulsa 12-May-22 10:24 PM
might do that
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I used an lp for Vesperia
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Shaiapouf 12-May-22 10:25 PM
Hilariously as far as I can tell the writer of Abyss wrote Abyss, wrote a couple episodes of the Fate/Zero anime, and then vanished
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legit I love abyss so much I have 2 cats named Asch and Luke
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Mysterious Stranger "Cyouni" 12-May-22 10:26 PM
oh yeah there's a ss LP of it
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Zedd-Repulsa 12-May-22 10:27 PM
I'll pull it up on my laptop, not phone
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CatHerder 12-May-22 10:36 PM
I think they did that Scarlet Nexus game
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https://m.imdb.com/name/nm1691058/filmotype/writer
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Shaiapouf 12-May-22 10:39 PM
oh really???
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huh
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I already wanted to play that
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Mysterious Stranger "Cyouni" 12-May-22 10:39 PM
huh also they did symphonia?
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I should actually play symponia at some point
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Shaiapouf 12-May-22 10:39 PM
and the sequal yeah
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Symphonia's story isn't much to write home about by modern standards
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it's basically just FFX with a fraction of the budget
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archaeo 12-May-22 10:41 PM
I just remember thinking it looked really good
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Zedd-Repulsa 12-May-22 10:41 PM
I like ffx
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archaeo 12-May-22 10:41 PM
I think FFX is really good but don't have like, strong personal feelings about it
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Zedd-Repulsa 12-May-22 10:41 PM
but I know it has issues
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archaeo 12-May-22 10:41 PM
I admire FFX as the best manga they ever published
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it's by far the best-told conventional shounen narrative in the series
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Shaiapouf 12-May-22 10:42 PM
I have a strong emotional bond with FFX
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as it is a game I played when I was 13 and literally forced into a religious cult
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archaeo 12-May-22 10:42 PM
this is basically like saying
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Zedd-Repulsa 12-May-22 10:42 PM
that's understandable
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archaeo 12-May-22 10:43 PM
that you loved FF7 due to the time you spent as a child ecoterrorist
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which is to say that I totally get it but that is kind of a rough way to form a bond with a game
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Shaiapouf 12-May-22 10:43 PM
I wish
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archaeo 12-May-22 10:43 PM
yeah that would probably be a lot more badass
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being a child ecoterrorist is fun to talk about at parties maybe
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actually I take that back I bet you don't go to a lot of parties...
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Shaiapouf 12-May-22 10:44 PM
you'd think Raiden would be more of a party guy, yeah
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archaeo 12-May-22 10:44 PM
lmao
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I should play Revengence and also maybe MGS2
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talk about an essential game for our times
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Kojima is someone who only pulls SSR prophecies and
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it also doesn't seem to help
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Shaiapouf 12-May-22 10:45 PM
I did find a nice youtube video on revengence
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archaeo 12-May-22 10:45 PM
I saw that? did it get linked or was it just something youtube showed me too
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Zedd-Repulsa 12-May-22 10:45 PM
I have "final fantasy" tattooed on my wrist because of everything that liking the series has brought into my life, for good and bad (edited)
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archaeo 12-May-22 10:45 PM
I didn't watch it because I haven't played it and I may as well preserve my ignorance
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I just know that the bad guy is a big guy who is also a member of the US government
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and like, duh, it's a Kojima game
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oh for sure Zedd
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Shaiapouf 12-May-22 10:46 PM
https://youtu.be/rVzSHVS-CT0
Jacob Geller
Why Does Metal Gear Rising Keep Getting More Popular?
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well here it is
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if you want to kill some time while I do this dungeon
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archaeo 12-May-22 10:46 PM
yeah either it got linked here in discord or I saw it
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Shaiapouf 12-May-22 10:46 PM
that I am in fact currently doing
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archaeo 12-May-22 10:46 PM
no I want to talk about final fantasy still
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personally part of the reason I like Tim Rogers is because we were both chunky little Hoosier boys who learned how to write by playing Final Fantasy 3 for the Super Nintendo Entertainment System
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(I suspect it's why I like the works of Andrew Hussie and Toby Fox as well)
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(I think they were just like, maybe from other parts of the country lol)
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(also Hussie was already 30 when Homestuck started is that not wild)
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(i'll stop)
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LettuceKitteh 12-May-22 10:49 PM
....so Discord flat-out shows me no messages between 9:41 and 10:47??
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Except on mobile
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mobile is fine
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O.o
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archaeo 12-May-22 10:49 PM
I've been having that problem but in Microsoft Teams
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LettuceKitteh 12-May-22 10:50 PM
there it goes, I think
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Shaiapouf 12-May-22 10:53 PM
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okay finally got through it
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now to just do the outer dungeon lmao
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Zedd-Repulsa 12-May-22 10:55 PM
condolences
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archaeo 12-May-22 10:55 PM
naturally
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I always wanted to do a D&D game where I spent a good while on a prepared speech about the players suddenly finding themselves in a glass cube surrounded on all sides by identical glass cubes in all directions, each with a few teleportation circles inscribed at various points, etc.
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anyway I'd make them go through like at most two before a big-ass monster shatters all the glass and they have a big weird fight
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didn't FFX have a stupid teleporter maze
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Zedd-Repulsa 12-May-22 10:57 PM
yes
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archaeo 12-May-22 10:57 PM
do all Final Fantasies have dumb teleporter mazes?
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Temple of Fiends...
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er, Castle of Ordeals, rather
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CatHerder 12-May-22 10:58 PM
RO has a fucking teleporter maze
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Shaiapouf 12-May-22 10:58 PM
oh thank god
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Zedd-Repulsa 12-May-22 10:58 PM
I don't think ff9 had a maze
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Shaiapouf 12-May-22 10:58 PM
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archaeo 12-May-22 10:58 PM
thanks game
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CatHerder 12-May-22 10:58 PM
Labyrinth of Where The Fuck Did My Party Go
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Shaiapouf 12-May-22 10:58 PM
so we in fact hack inside of the outer dungeon
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to go to the
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archaeo 12-May-22 10:59 PM
https://tenor.com/view/steins-gate-anime-opening-gears-gif-11701080
シュタインズゲート アニメ　歯車
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Shaiapouf 12-May-22 10:59 PM
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Haseo: Shino!
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archaeo 12-May-22 10:59 PM
ovan's character design is so fucking cool
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archaeo 12-May-22 11:00 PM
big cannon arm
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he rules
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Shaiapouf 12-May-22 11:00 PM
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"The Legendary Incel, Harald Heorwick"
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archaeo 12-May-22 11:00 PM
real fuckin white for a black box
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archaeo 12-May-22 11:01 PM
have you considered a termite mound
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archaeo 12-May-22 11:01 PM
...okay
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